they are included in our budget forecast. they are less significant and we are already doing work to reinforce these features using rock bolts and shock crete, as we continue excavating if they became more significant, we wanted to account for those in the risk register. so we also added risks for those features. so all that to say as we continue excavation, we gain a better understanding of the ground conditions there. highly complex geology in that area. and as mr. decosta said, it's not an ideal location for a dam, but that is the only location available. obviously, the original dam was built in the ideal best location. downstream of where we're building this new dam, there is a known, very significant landslide. there was no question that we

could site our new dam over there. so in order to be able to keep these water rights that we have at calaveras, there was one place where we could really locate that dam, and that is where it is. and you are 500' way from the calaveras dam. obviously the dam is designed to withstand the ground shaking from that fault, but nonetheless, we need to build in some very complex geological conditions. >> commissioner torres. >> if the dam god forbid would collapse. >> the existing one? >> the existing one or new one, would the city of fremont be flooded? we were talking about that earlier. >> do you know the answer to that? it depends i guess how you define "flooding." to what extent? >> good afternoon

commissioners, dan wade, senior project manager for the projects that includes calaveras dam. in answer to your question, there was an inundation study done during the environmental review of the project and yes, the inundation would go into fremont as the water spreads to the bay. yes, in the event of a catastrophic event, a catastrophic dam event, you would have flooding. as its constructed it's currently safe. >> is flood insurance provided for residents of fremont? i didn't know the answer to that. >> i don't know the answer to that question either, but we can get that information. >> thank you. thank you, mr. president. >> i would like to add that the study that dan referred to basically assumes that the dam disappears completely. if there was a failure, chances

are it would not be complete destruction of the dam, but could be overtopping or partial demolition. >> is there any public comment on the general manager's report? seeing none, public comment is now closed. doctor. >> was that under the director's report? >> yes. >> i got nervous when he said fremont when the flooding would take place. where is fremont? >> fremont, right? >> yes. where is it at? >> the city of fremont is located about 7 miles east of the dam. >> you know the reason why i'm asking --

>> excuse me. >> you know, a lot of people are not aware of all of the landfills that were done on the bayside, you know, going to the east? and it has been shown if there is a flooding that is going to happen, even my community, southeast sector is going to be underwater. so when you all go across the 101 freeway, i tell people there is an earthquake, don't go that way. you go the old way we had to go many years ago, before that freeway was built, because that freeway was built on landfill. and we had to take bay shore around mountain to get to the effluent many years ago and get off at brisbane and make a right to get to the airport. we need to have every city agency in this city get a map.

old map. that is why i am asking where is fremont? six miles from me. i am kind of shaky with that one. >> thank you, doctor, for your comments. public comment is now closed. madame secretary, will you read the next item, please? >> item 8 is the bawsca update. >> good afternoon. >> good afternoon. can i have the projector, please? thank you very much, commissioners, nicole sandkulla bawsca ceo and i want to congratulate, president courtney on your election. it's great news and also commissioner caen moving into the vice president position and commissioner torres, we really appreciate the work we have done with you the last year.

we have made some great strides in protecting our agencies and the customers that they share and it's critically important to them and very much appreciated by my member agencies. >> you are welcome. >> thank you. so i'm here today before you have a written report. i presented an oral report to our board in november. on our assessment of the wsip implementation to-date, it's been ten years. it felt like it was an appropriate time to provide a more formal document to this commission and to my board about what we have seen going forward with the wsip. and i think following julie's comments today, i think very sobering time to think about what is going on with wsip. there are a couple of things that i did want to highlight. there are several things that we see have gone very well. when the puc started this program, there was a lot of concerns about the ability of this body, the staff, this

agency being able to really do a prime of this magnitude. and you really stepped up to implement processes and programs in place and that 100% commitment at the staff level and i think at the commission level as well for successful implementation. that has been very well-thought through. the construction management process has gone well also and the shutdown process, which early on was something from my perspective, from my member agencies and the most immediate impact that they could see, that has also been well-managed. there has been no service outage with all the wsip projects going on. that is a commendable, commendable achievement for your staff. and you also achieved significant bid savings, which really have helped you get to this point of having a program that so far has been able to stay relatively within the bounds of your initially approved budget. but there have been challenges and i think really julie's

points highlight the biggest ones are these unforeseen challenges as you go into construction. early on, there was a feeling, i think, that once we get through planning, that this will be very easy to handle its construction. you get guys out. there you have a contractor. they are going to do the work and everything will move quite smoothly and, in fact that has not been the case that you have seen entirely and that has been a challenge. i think the staff and your consultants and your contractors have stepped up, but that continues to be a challenge that you are going to have to deal with all the way through the end of the program; which i think is the critical piece for us. what that really to me brings focus on, that this body needs to stay focused on successful completion of wsip. it's not what you thought it was going to be, which was once in planning everything would be easy and you could move on to what i know are some big challenges that you have locally within san francisco.

but this remains a priority for this commission. and you need to remain focused and give the staff the support that they need to bring those resources to bear. to make their way through these difficult challenges. schedule management and cost control, that is kind of what it all falls down to. your team is aware of this, but that is what they are going to start talking about. what more can they do to bring cost control and schedule control, because those all amount to dollars in the programs, when you have the contractors mobilized and every time you expend it, it becomes very expensive. two level service goals that we continue to be concerned about. the peninsula pipeline seismic upgrade project is a project that came late to the wsip and it has two sources of funding. it's got three phases and two sources of funding. one of the things that we're concerned about is because of

this bifurcation of the project, the entire project isn't reported on in the wsip and you have to ensure that water is able to be delivered that you can meet that level of service goal. so that is an important piece that needs to be rolleded into our reporting. the water supply servicing, you talked about a lot in this room. i was here last time when you talked about. incorporating that as a discussion in your quarterly reports and the progress being made. it's critical to meeting water supply service goals which is incorporated within your wsip. so that needs to, at this point be a greater level of discussion and continue to remain a priority for the commission. so the report does present four recommendations, none of them i think will be a surprise to your staff.

there are things that we have continued to push with them, but i think it was important to make you aware of them at a higher level and to think about them and really going back to the sobering information that you learned about calaveras, in order to make your way through the next 6,9 years of this program, you need to keep analyzing and re-analyzing how do we make cost control a priority? how do we make scheduling a priority? and not just assuming that you have done all of these great things because you have, but to find ourselves in a better position and bring this program in on time and on budget? because that is the critical piece and something that is so important to all of us. your staff has done a wonderful job. i don't know that anybody else could have done it. and i am pleased that they have been able to do it and relationship that we have, but they need to continue to stay

focused on this, because it's going to be very, very important. as you have noticed internally within the city, the conversations are now -- suddenly people are wondering about their water rates? people are worried about it. there are a lot of conversations going on and i think it's important that we continue to say that we're doing everything that we can to maintain the cost and the budget and the schedule and if we can't, that is why. that concludes my comments and what i intended to say. >> thank you very much. commissioner vietor? >> thank you. and i would love at some point i think your recommendations sound right on to me and i don't know if it's today or the next meeting to hear from the puc staff what are those recommendations that will be followed up on and some response because it does make good sense to me. thank you very much. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> commissioner moran. i would like to second that. we have made a practice in the

last couple of reports that bawsca has presented of giving staff the opportunity to review the recommendations and then have basically adopted them as the commission saw. and if we can head towards that kind of review and outcome, i would appreciate that as well. one thing i would also like to do and you mentioned the water supply level of service goals. we discussed that at some length at our last meeting. and there were several parts to that. one was the restoration of 265 mgd yield and the interruptibles and then finally the -- i guess dealing with the issue of maximum curtailment levels and seeing if there was a way around it. the last three were things that

we directed staff to assess and come back to us as part of the budget process. the first one, the restoration of 265 is part of the wsip and there are six projects that i recall that contribute to that. and i would like to see at the earliest convenience from staff, a report on the status and outlook of those six projects. some of that is in the routine wsip report that we get and some of it isn't, in one case because the project is complete. in other cases because they haven't really started yet, but i would one document that takes a look at that, so we can have a good assessment as to how we're doing on that objective? and again, i think hopefully it will be just a matter of pulling information out of existing sources. >> we can do that. >> thank you. >> great. thank you. >> thank you very much.

is there any public comment on the update that we just heard? seeing none, public comment is know closed. madame secretary please read the next item. >> item 9, the consent calendar. items 9a through f constitute a consent calendar and are considered routine by the public utilities commission and acted upon by a single vote of the discussion. there will be no separate discussion of the items unless the member of the commission or public requests and if so, will be removed from the consent calendar and considered a separate item. >> commissioners, what is your pleasure? >> i would like to move the consent calendar. >> second. >> it's been moved and seconded. any discussion? seeing none, i will call for a vote. all those in favor, signify by saying aye? >> aye. >> and no? the ayes have it. motion carries. madame secretary. >> mr. president, we need public comment on consent calendar. >> i would like to call for public comment on the consent

calendar, please. is there any public comment? thank you, doctor. >> espinola jackson, on no. e, i think when i was here the last time, i think you may have misunderstood me. i would like to give you some history on hetch hetchy. my husband is named james rich. he was the first black man to be hired by hetch hetchy here in san francisco. he was the one that trained other blacks when they came in and trained other workers when they came here and worked in san francisco. the reason he could not join the electrician union because they did not allow blacks in the union at that time. and that was one of the reasons i was in support of local hiring, and explained the situation to the supervisor about what happened to my husband. because i had to live that. in

fact, when he was going to become the general manager up there, at hetch -hetchy, we went up there to look around because you get free rent and everything. i went up there and saw nothing, but trees, snakes and bears and they wanted to demote him and i said no, we're going back to san francisco. so that is the reason why. and he retired and when he retired and your people can look it up, the fact how long he was the only black worker at hetch hetchy. james rich. it's not jackson. so i don't want to get it twisted. when i was talking about e, i wanted to know whether or not -- he told me not to use his name, because nobody knew rich. that was why i was able to keep my name, because i have gone under jackson for so long. so

he allowed me not to use his name. my concern when i saw about the electricians and remember when we had the shutdown before, i wanted to make sure that did not happen again. that was my only concern. i was not opposed to electricians, because they make good money, even for today. thank you very much. >> thank you, doctor, i will follow-up on your comment because we commented on same item you remember and the information that we requested at that time was with respect to accepting the work contract, is there any connection between who is performing that work and at rate it was and their inability to meet these requirements for the contractors? right that was the up with thing. the other thing i believe we

will get a report from staff. the reason i didn't move to separate the item is because bass electric has performed the work. they have performed the work with a competent crew from what i understand and i will raise this issue under "new business" so we can continue to have the conversation and shed more light and clarity. >> thank you very much, now i can go home. >> thank you. more public comment? good afternoon. >> is there any other public comment on the consent calendar? we have already had a vote, is it appropriate to move forward? okay then i will go ahead and call for a vote. is there a motion on the consent calendar? >> move it. >> it's been moved. is there a second?

>> second. >> and seconded. i will call for the vote, all those in favor, signify by saying aye? >> aye. >> and opposed? the ayes have it and the motion carries. next item, madame secretary. >> item no, approve amendment to agreement no. cs-139 and direct the executive manager to execute the agreement. >> commissioner i will entertain a motion. >> so moved. >> second. >> i will call for public comment. is there any public comment on new item no. 10? seeing none, public comment is now closed. it's been moved and seconded. all those in favor, signify by saying aye? >> aye. >> and opposed? the ayes have it and motion carries. madame secretary next item.

>> item no. 11 authorize the general manager to execute on behalf of the city and county of san francisco, the third amendment to the memorandum of understanding by and between the sfpuc and other members of alameda creek fisheries, et cetera. >> commissioners? >> so moved. >> seconded. >> move and seconded. any comment on the item? seeing no public comment, public comment is now closed. all those in favor, signify by saying aye? >> aye. >> next item, madame secretary please. >> item 12 authorize the general manager to apply for proposition 84 grant fund. >> commissioners? >> i will entertain a motion. >> i will move that. >> second. >> moved and seconded. any public comment on this item? see none, public comment is now closed. call for the vote, all those in favor, signify by saying aye? >> aye. >> and opposed? the ayes have it and the motion carries. madame secretary, next item, please. >> item 13, approve project

no. cuw36702 peninsula pipeline seismic upgrade project in northern san mateo county, california, et cetera. >> move it. >> second. >> any public comment on this item, seeing none, public comment is closed. all those in favor, signify by saying aye? >> aye. >> the ayes have it and the motion carries. madame secretary, next item, please. >> item 14, approve project no. cuw2730502 san andreas piper jaffray 2 and pipeline 3 improvements project in the city of south san francisco, et cetera. >> move it. >> second. >> it's been moved and seconded. >> any public comment on the item? seeing none, public comment is called. i will call for the vote. all those in favor, signify by saying aye? >> aye. >> and opposed? the ayes have it. the motion carries. we're going to move into closed session madame secretary, but is it appropriate to call up

mr. richard hanson who submitted a card. >> yes. >> mr. hanson. >> yes, hi. my name is richard hanson and i'm speaking as a private citizen of san francisco i used to be on the puc cac and working on water and sewer and those problems for about ten years. during the time i was on the cac, i was active in making recommendations about this and that. but one of the things i was persistent about was asking about the puc's planning for disasters. i came to san francisco originally in 1988 from a background as a research scientist in astronomy and worked at va hospital and employed at presidio of san francisco when it was an active

military base before they started the wars in iraq and kuwait and it was the headquarters of the u.s. the army and anybody that old, maybe mr. torres will remember a very active military complex. >> i'm only 57, geez. [ laughter ] >> there were a lot of bases here and a lot of people could do pipe fitting and electrical work and they had excellent training programs for young people who developed those trades, but now they are all gone. and the technical hands-on competence in san francisco is very limited. at the time of the earthquake in 1989, i had my job as chief of operations and maintenance at the presidio for three or four months that included responsibility for all utilities. and i shortly after the earthquake, i told my boss who was sitting around and said, hey, randy, who is in charge

and he said you are. i said oh, you know? it was not in my job description, but it was up to me to find out there was a lot of hissing going on and what water breaks and gas breaks and how to restore electrical power. ed at that point i rented out a type writer to write out plans because if another earthquake, i didn't want to get stuck as the fall-guy. i realized in preparing for a disaster you have to have a plan in advance and i was wondering what the puc's plan -- typically they don't occur during normal business hours and in san francisco, you find that most of your firefighters

and police and electricians and others live far from the city. more recently, i happened to visit new york city which had a storm system that flooded their subways system and closed down the statue of liberty and ellis island and had to develop responses to it. but i am -- i have passed out to you a brochure, not made by me. i had nothing to do with this. this is something that former mayor art agnos has been giving speeches about.

and i suppose it depends on big a fan you are of more building around the waterfront. >> thank you, just to be fair to the other public commenters, the time allotted for this discussion has already passed. so we will accept whatever you have into the record and just give us a final thought. >> first question is where will the landfill be when we have a big earthquake? where are we going to put all the debris? it was a big deal in new york city, if we give up all the waterfront space and open space along the waterfront and if we give up these piers, where do we put the debris? there will be a lot of buildings made prior to the new codes that have not been corrected. >> okay. >> is the communication system now working? there are several articles in the newspaper saying it was a boondoggle. third question it's understood that the cal pacific hospital has applied for a lot of money to build a replacement hospital

because it's seismically unsafe. if we had a big earthquake today in san francisco, the capacity. >> there are three questions. >> my third question, where would the emergency u.s. navy ship, a floating hospital ship dock in all the piers were given up along the waterfront? >> so i do have them here. >> and i'm giving all of these to you and there is a history in san francisco, where there are a lot of political appointees to igsignificant things like emergency response and i would hate to see that done again. >> thank you, mr. hanson. >> my question is what is san francisco doing? >> thank you very much for being here. i will make a commitment in public to meet with you offline to make sure that i have the information just the way you wanted it to be presented and question have staff go over it. we appreciate your time today. any other public comment? seeing none, public comment is

now closed and madame secretary will you read the items to go over in las vegas? >> yes >> item 17, existing litigation walsh versus city and county of san francisco. item 18, mark pare and matt pare vs. city and county of san francisco. >> item 19, city and county of san francisco vs. pegg pegg. item 20, city and county of san francisco versus pacific gas & electric. i. 21, pg&e versus city and countying of stormtrack. i. 22, conference with legal counsel. item 23, conference with legal counsel. item 24, threat to public services or fulfillments. >> are we now in closed session? >> momentarily. >> i would like to make the

motion to assert attorney-client privilege. >> it's been moved. is there a second? >> second. >> all those in favor, signify by saying aye? >> aye. >> and the ayes have it. the >> we're back on the record and announce no formal action was taken during closed sessioned and is there a motion whether or not to discuss closed session? >> so moved. >> moved not to discuss the closed session. >> second. >> all those in favor, signify by saying aye? >> aye. >> that motion carries. madame secretary, next item. >> any other business? >> commissioners? >> i do have an item that was discussed briefly today with doctor jackson up at the podium. and it relates